Marriage Decisions -- When To Give Up?
Verbal abuse- how much to tolerate?
I have been w/my second husband 6 years nw and married just a year ago. He has always been very good to me .He has a very meek demeanor. Know one knows that he has been verbally and sometimes physically abusing me. He accuses me of pushing his buttons. I worked full time up to 6 months ago and due to health reasons am now considered disabled. I lost my health covergage now on my husbands. I have asked him to leave but he tells me " never". He holds the insurance card over my head. Most of the time he is very devoted and loving but he has this temper that boils over on me and no one else. What should I do. I used to be so crazy for him but now I don't care. He is losing my lov by his actions aan blames me .
Good Question....
I have been in a married relationship for 2 years but with the same man for 11 years that was after a 13 year - 1st time. I married both times out of fear of being alone and both times ended up regretting my decision....now the financial comfort factor comes into play and I stay now because it is comfortable...not a good reason but better then being alone, I had thought...but after a month of testing the waters ...I can live alone. Am I happy...content...and some day I will make the committment to happy...when that day comes is still the big question....maybe when the kids head to University or a win the lottery...???
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Part-Time Marriage with Traveling Husband
My husband and I have been together 10 years, most of which he has traveled extensively for his job. He is gone for weeks at a time, sometimes months at a time. We have a part-time marriage at best. We have had LOTS of marital problems not surprisingly. My husband is well aware that his work demand to travel and be gone so much of the time is destroying us, but he chooses to continue. He is 54 and he is afraid to leave his job for fear he can't find another one that would allow him to be home daily. I understand his reluctance, but bottom line, he seems to be putting his job before our marriage. He says 'he's doing this job for us and our future', but I tell him that the way things have been going and the current state of our relationship, there will not be an 'us' to be working for, so what good is it? If the very thing he is 'working for' is being destroyed, what point is it? What is your opionion?
Husband to Comfortable?
We have been married 28 years and over the last year I have started seeing a decrease in affection towards me. I have tried to talk to him about it and he says just having me in the room or knowing I'm there is enough for him. I explained it wasn't for me and that I still needed the physical and verbal parts. I can't help but take it a bit personal and feel that maybe he isn't attracted to me anymore. There has also been some worry that he might have been seeing another woman that he works with who does not live in our town, I haven't seen any recent signs that this is still going on, but I still wonder if they are hooking up when he goes to "work related" trips.
I have this horrible fear of being alone at my age and trying to make it on my own. I still love him but am not sure what to do? I think about counseling, but I'm not sure he would go. Anyone else been through this and have suggestions? Thanks!
you just know
I recently left my husband of 16 years. You have to think if you are better with him or without him. Kids - are they always hiding in their bedrooms. Does the thought of him touching you turn you right off? You are more depressed than happy - hate to leave work - because you have to go home to him. You deserve to be happy - even if it means you have to be alone for a while.
In Crisis
I have been married 38 years. For the first time my husband and I skipped our anniversary. 14 years ago our daughter was killed by a drunk driver. After 6 years I decided to return to college and I am currently completing my masters program in counseling. My husband chose alcohol and at this point in time his life is in a total shambles and he is oblivious. I think I have given up and I am ready, but it is very scary to end a relationship after all these years. Starting over in your 50's, financially, emotionally, sexually, and alone can be very intimidating. At this point I am beginning to think about the process of letting go and moving on. When one partner is sabatoging the relationship, the other must think of their own survival. I am hoping for the best.
HELP ME........
Ok this is my situation. I have been married for 20yrs. My youngest child is 16. I have come to a crossroads in my marriage to the point that i am so full of resentment. I fell in love with the man of my dreams 20 yrs ago and we married had 3 beautiful children. Our life was full of love and adventure. My husband was injured on the job 15 yrs ago and could no longer work. I took on full time work, taking care of a home and raising 3 boys. My husband for a long time was great, my boys were happy and my yard was always beautiful. However he never helped with the housework or anything else. He later was diagnosed as being Bipolar. and on top of all of this he is in total denial that he is an alcholic. He believes because he only drinks beer that he is not. Our relationship has slowly grown apart. he has gone one path and i have gone another. My life consists of my childrens which are my every joy, my dog and my career. His life consists of beer and isolating himself from the world. He has been through AA 3times, and has told me numberous time to not make him chose between me and his beer. To make matters worse he has been diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer in july of 2006. He is going through some treatments and at this point in time he is in remission however, his health and mental well being is not that good. I do not know what to do. I do not feel like i can leave him at this point in his life, but at the same time i am not happy and i have so much resentment for him. Please advise.......
Another view
Believe me, I know all about being depressed, feeling lonely, living with my roommate, etc. The only way I can deal with it is to never blame anything on anybody. Following this same example, I accept blame for everything, and act on it. I have accepted the blame and the responsiblity for all financial matters, housecleaning, washing dishes, etc. These activities are minor to me, and have in the past been excuses for blaming me for something. In my honest opinion, BLAME is the root of all negative thoughts and emotions. It is difficult to not blame, but I have discovered over the years that when I was very depressed, it could always be traced back to being blamed for something, and the depressed feeling came from feeling gulity for something that I actually could do nothing about. My wife and I have been married for 45 years, and have raised seven children. After retirement 16 years ago, we relocated to her hometown to help take care of her aging parents. This was my idea because I could see the need and accepted the responsibility, and it seemed to make her happy at the time. Her mother died soon after we moved, and her father passed away nine years ago. She has blamed me for: not seeing enough of the children; seeing too much of the children; causing her to have a bad relationship with one of the children; not eating out very much; eating out too much; going to crappy restaurants; going to good restaurants because they were too expensive; not playing enough golf; playing too much golf; It got to the point that I ask her "which bothers you the most -- when I breathe in or when I breathe out" etc. etc.
I have long given up on trying to make repairs; I just go on with my life -- work; achieve; study; make improvements on everythig in my life, and try not to let anything she says, does, dont do etc. bother me. In other words, "tend to my own knitting" never blame anyone for anything.
The small rewards that come from the accomplishments keep me going. I have very good relationships with everyone else in my life. (Children, Associates; etc.)
I want to believe he is the man I fell in love with
Where to begin? Well I am 31 and have been married for 8 years this past October. We met in college (both athletes). I knew he was the one I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. I have to admit in the beginning I was very scared because he was everything I had ever wanted in a man. I actually started thinking that he could not be real. I even tried to convince myself that it was just a matter of time before he did something wrong or would start getting on my nerves like all of my past boyfriends. I kept waiting and waiting but he was for real. He was the type of man that people were drawn to. He made me and everyone around him want to be better but not in a goody-goody way. Down to earth, unjudgemental, honest, loyal, considerate, handsome and always the perfect gentleman. He made me feel like the only women on earth. I had always been a cheater and I never thought I would find anyone I could be completely and willingly faithful to. I found him, he made me a better women. I always thought of how my actions would effect him and us. I have prided myself on being faithful to the love of my life for 9 1/2 years, without a moment of doubt. We have a 4 year old daughter and although things were not as passionate as they were in the beginning, I could truely say up until August 27, 2007 I thought I had it all. I never doubted him, I trusted him nievely and completely. I had that "warm fuzzy" I like to call it. Security and contentment that all my friends were jealous of. I we had been a little distant but you goes through those times in a marriage but we always woke up and came back to each other stronger than ever. Only not this time. I began making my little steps to draw us back together, little notes, emails and more affection. He was not responding like all the times before. I became all little worried but I did not want him to think I did not trust him, after all he had always been the perfect husband and father never given me one ounce of reason to worry. So why was I? I am not a jealous person. I could not shake this feeling in my gut. In the middle of June he could not get an erection one night. I thought it was strange but shook it off. I mean I have never been insecure. I was a personal trainer for 5 years and I am in incredible shape, so I never contimplated it being me. So, the 2 weeks go by and it happens again and this time I am rocked. I finallly have to face this feeling I had in my gut and I just came out and said "what is going on?" I could only think of 2 reason, neither good. 1.) You are not attracted to me. 2.) You are getting it somewhere else. I only women he knew was his married office manager who came over on Friday after for drinks. We had even had her and her husband over a couple of times. She was redneck, certainly did not have my body and she "dips" tobacco. Hesay well....and hesitates. My heart is racing. He then says "you know you have not been working out as hard lately and I think your ass looks a little weird. I sat there with my mouth wide open not believing my ears. This is a man who would never ever in a million years say anything to hurt me. I was shocked and hurt and scared. I burst into tears and was devistated to say the least. We talked and he held me and an hour later we made love. So, the next morning I am thinking well obviously that had been a lie. So what was the reason. No, it couldn't be that he was attracted to the redneck, so I asked. He looked at me crazy and said "you're kidding". We are just friends and I do not even look at her that way. I thought of course that is crazy. So why do I still have the feeling in my gut? I wise up and get a copy of his cell phone bill and to my surprise, 231 minutes of calls. They had been talking for months. Especially when he was out of town. I was furious. I confronted him and he stood strong that it was just a friend. Long story short after 45 days of torture I backed him into a corner and said I had sceduled a poly graph test. He confused that they had been meeting for 4 months and only kissing. I wanted to die. I still made him take the test and they never had sex but is was not because he did not try. She was the one who wouldn't. Now 5 months later I am still full of rage. I called her husband and told him what had been going on and then she filed a false criminal charge aganist me. She left work a couple of weeks after I found out to have a surgery. I charge was thrown out after I spent money on a lawyer. I am not in the process of suing her in civil court and to top it off she came back to work laster week. He has apoligized and begged and pleaded for me not to leave. I believe that it is over and he is doing and saying everything right. I am trying to hold my family together but how do I seattle for this man who lives with me know. It is like my soulmate, my best friend and the love of my life was replaced with an evil twin. I feel dupped, humiliated, disrespected and crazy. Am I being to hard on him. I only expected what he lead me to believe that he was an honest, loyal and moral man. My image of him is shattered. How am supposed to stay is this marriage where I feel like a nut case with the checking and wondering and worrying. How and why would I? My heart and my head are in a tug of war and it is about to rip me in half....help!
Search online and get a
Search online and get a book called "Women's Infidelity" It is two parts. I know this sounds crazy because you weren't the one in your relationship that was unfaithful but it will give you a significant insight into us...women.
I'm not a counselor and I don't have enough information about you or your husband. But it sounds like you run the show. It also sounds like you've always been on edge in the back of your mind because of how you were before the marriage..."unfaithful." I study Kabbalah. One of the reasons I continued to study was because it confirmed many things I had always believed including "what goes around, comes around." Whatever we put out there, will come back. It doesn't do it when we want it to or how we want it to. We can also put it off from coming back depending on how we give of ourselves in the world.
We can't do what we want and not expect it to come back. If it's true that this is the only time your husband has even thought of messing around, it didn't have anything to do with sex. It's apparent he can get that at home. However, maybe he's not getting the warmth and affection he needs. Or maybe he doesn't feel comfortable with telling you how he feels or what he's thinking because you'll go off the deep end. You may think you're doing the rational thing but how did this get to court.
I am curious why you felt a need to tell her husband especially after your husband told you that he didn't have sex because she wouldn't. Were you trying to make them feel as badly as you did? I guess my real question is... was that going to fix your situation with your husband?
Again, I don't have enough information. But it sounds your need for control of ALL things is going to tear your relationship apart anyway. You and he should seek counseling together and separately. It seems your husband could see this woman not for the external but the internal. On the other hand, your value of her as a person was based solely on your external impressions.
Listen, at 23...there's honestly no way to know what kind of man you've always wanted except by reading fairy tales and romance novels or watching movies. Real men, real people aren't perfect and relationships that can stand the test of time are ones where people say things we don't always want or like to hear. When they do and we are able to talk without anger, then trust really develops. Even big, strong handsome guys don't like to feel afraid of saying something that might make you angry, especially if past responses have shown him that you'll go off the deep end.
Nothing's perfect. Why were those repeated times of you two emotionally moving apart then you bringing it back together? Was it him moving away or pushing you away or you pushing him away? Why are you the one designated to bring it back each time? Did he cause it or you? Nobody is always 100% at fault for anything in a relationship. Get to the root of the issues and you'll determine if the soil is still fertile. Rebuilding trust is the number one thing to do now. But you'll have to be forgiving and accept any part, even if it's small, that you had to play in it.
RE-When to give up?
When my sons and daughters have grown and have had their own family, I decided to end my unsuccessful marriage and throw myself to online dating. I googled a site called meetwealthyboomer.com, I hope it works for me and I can find my new life there. For my ex, we loved, and cared, but seems there's no eternal love in this world. We never had quarrels, but just lost the privity between each other. We can not live on the same step.
More info on boyfriend...
This is that same tall, blonde trucker and biker that I have been crazy about for years.
I sure do love that man but I had to leave him for my own sanity.
Any ideas?
I have a doozy of a one for you...
I just broke up with my boyfriend mid-September 2007 because of his severe case of mental illness.
This back and forth has been going on for years.
I broke up with my husband and divorced him for alcoholism and was chasing this gorgeous, sweet guy. I did not know that something was seriously wrong with him although other people noticed years before.
I wound up marrying a guy on the rebound but the marriage failed after 2 years because of drug addiction on my husband's part. He is happy with someone else now. I wish him well.
I called up my ex-boyfriend and resumed our relationship long distance.
I moved back down here to Phoenix, Arizona and in with my boyfriend because he was real sick. I took care of him for 6 months and even got a job. I could no longer handle his severe case of mental illness and I left him after I suddenly realized one day what was really wrong with him.
I had to report him to the driver license people to hopefully suspend his driver license because of his severe mental problems, and he is suicidal, and his severe vision problems and other severe health problems. He figured out that I was the one who reported him and I believe that they suspended his license based on the signed statement that I faxed to the driver license people.
My ex-boyfriend is depressed and going through a hard time right now and he even is dating a woman that he cares nothing about because he is desperately lonely but it is not working and he is in the process of breaking up with her. It has lasted about a month so far.
We have a close mutual friend who is watching over him for me. I am also praying for him every day.
He is a truck driver and a biker who likes to ride motorcycles.
I hope he gets treatment for his severe mental illness.
He has "Multiple Personality Disorder" caused by severe, horrific child abuse when he was about 2 to 5 years old, more or less.
What now? Do I give up on this man when he desperately needs someone to love him and someone to depend on? He desperately needs to know that someone cares about him and loves him.
I have sent him several cards with very loving words and I believe it helps comfort him. He is not ready to talk to me on the phone yet. He is still angry with me and terrified of me to the point of being paranoid.
So, what to do? Give up on him, or wait a while, as our close mutual friend advised. This friend is an elderly man who is 86 years old, so he ought to know something.
Any ideas? I really love this man and I know he loves me.
Anybody?
I also post as Jbrownmichigan also.
Dear Supportive and Patient
Continue to be supportive and patient.
But get thee a full life as she is out there building one for herself.
Any interesting hobbies, sports, woodwork,etc.--anything you you'd be interest in pursuing (besides your wife).
As she tries to find what she feels she is missing in her life and goes about meeting her needs (which is a good thing), you do the same for yourself.
You both may find 2 intersting people in yourselves who decide to reconcile for something even better than what you had before.
Good luck to you.
Isabela
Win back wife?
I love my wife- but she left. She wants to be friends, but doesn't want to be married. There was no cheating, abuse, or arguments. She is 55 and people who know her, say she is going through a need for change crisis. Any experience on reconciling chances, if I am supportive and patient?
Prime singles' zone
Blog it! A cat or a lion?
It is time
Your wife is not honest enough.
What if things don't look better?
I have been in a marriage for 15 years. It continuously goes downhill. We have had therapy with several different therapists over the years and both decided it doesn't help.
I hate the thoughts of trying to start over in life again. My question is do you think about your current situation and think if I leave will my life get better and then make that decision to do so or if you don't like the thoughts as to possibly being alone in the future then it would probably be best not to leave.
Make Them Better
Hi there,
I think that one question sums up the main reason why many people ARE still married.
They wonder what will their life be like on their own.
Will they be in a better position with or without the spouse?
Not necessarily I love him/her therefore I stay.
They want out but fear of finances, family/friends opinions and uncertainty about their future keeps them there.
If you're considering divorce and have done what you can to salvage the marriage (if you had that desire b/c personally I see no reason to try to salvage something I know for sure I don't want), then create the life you want to have.
I see this as a second chance on life.
What have you always wanted to do but never did?
What type of place would you like to live in as a single person in this stage of your life? A townhouse, a small cottage? What can you reasonably afford?
What kinds of hobbies are you interested in?
Interested in taking a class at the local college or online?
Interested in joining a book club?
Interested in throwing a poker party and having friends over?
The sky is the limit. Think. Plan. Believe in yourself and be thankful you get a 2nd chance. Many people never made it to this round. They died of strokes, heart attacks, suicide and a malaise of unhappiness.
Isabela
Is it time to give up?
My wife went on a girls weekend trip about a year ago where she met someone. She continued the affair with e-mails, text messages and phone calls. She went to meet him a few months later. I found out about it thru her e-mail. I called her the second day she was gone, she came back home and begged for forgiveness. She has always been secretive with her mobil phone and e-mails, she said she would try to be more open. About a month ago I had a strange feeling and I checked her e-mail the guy she had the affair with said he was coming to town for a sporting event, when I asked her about it she said she was just going to wave at him (and I was bringing her to this event) What is wrong with her?(and me)Last week she told me she was changing her E-mail password because she needed her privacy. Is it time to give up?
it is time
move on! You can do better than that!
Response to: Is it time to give up?
Sounds like your wife wants to be married to you as well as keep the lines of communication (at the least) open with this other guy. Without complete honesty from her, you're left to assume and watch her actions.
What are her actions?
1.) Affair to include emails, texts, visit and phone call.
2.) Apology for affair, a promise to never do it again, and a request for forgiveness.
3.)A promise to be more open.
4.)Secret continuation of emails with the other guy after the above requests and actions.
5.)Secret scheduled meet and greet(waving only).
What (seems to be) wrong with her? Maybe she wants both of you in her life.
What (seems to be) wrong with you? You love and want your wife to yourself.
Only you and she has the *real* answers to these questions and you both owe it to yourselves to ask those questions and keep asking til you get some answers to take action upon, with or without the help of a counselor.
I'm wishing you both well, no matter what. You both deserve happiness during our short time on earth, with or without each other.
isabela
Response to DOOR2DOOR2: Getting her back
Dear DOOR2DOOR2,
Do you want her back? Can you apologize for the negative things said and work towards something maybe even better than what you had before?
Isabela
getting her back
It might be too late, but I made the mistake of telling my fiancee some very negative things and she is ready to move on. We live in the same house and things are very uncomfortable now. She wants to live there for six months while she finds another place to live
one other thing
One last thing I didn't mention is this:
It can be very hard being patient when the she says that A) it's going to take time to heal, and B) she wants to do 'normal' things with me to rebuild the trust and love; yet C) she wants more excitement in her life and doesn't want to go back to the marriage we had before. So I'm in a catch-22. I either continue the admitably boring lifestyle (that I pledge to upgrade) before I left, or I 'try to impress her' all the time. One bores her and the other freaks her out. See what I mean about being on audition?
Response to: One other thing
Dear JasonT9807,
Cancel the audition. Do things to enrich your and your children's lives as your wife comes to terms with, well, whatever she needs to come to terms with. THIS will make you more interesting to her as well.
Live a full life combined of work, promotion, play, enrichment, travel, passion for a hoibby or sport, etc.
Being the best you helps your children to be the best them. Take the focus off your wife and now put it on yourself and your children. Your wife will see you being the best you --regardless of her actions.
And should she decide she doesn't care to remain in the marriage because you are still 'boring' her, then you may have a case of her just not wanting to be married or not being married to you. Sad as that may be, you want someone who wants and actually likes the real YOU.
The counseling will help the two of you bring it all together.
Isabela
cheated on and working to fix it
I have to admit, I didn't read all 385+ messages before posting. Sorry.
I am a military officer and I just returned from an overseas deployment. While I was gone, my wife had an affair with a coworker. She originally thought that it would just happen while I was away, and that when I came back she would end it, but I think she was lying to herself. When I confronted her about it, she lied to me and went straight to him to see if he would stay with her. We have two boys, both pre-school aged.
Since then, she found out he didn't want her either, and she's made some attempts to reconcile with me. She lied on 3 occasions since then about keeping in contact with him, but I have finally got her to formally write him to end their relationship, and I have some coworkers who are keeping tabs on things.
We're scheduled to move overseas in less than two months. She says she wants to come with me and continue to repair our marriage. But she keeps things from me still.
She never was a 'party girl' and since I left, this is one way she felt good about herself. I have to say, my wife has developed quite a bit, both physically and emotionally, since we met 10 years ago. She now can be one of the girls who is at the center of attention with the boys at the bar. The problem is, she still wants to go to the bars with the boys, but without me.
I have told her that I want her to have freedom, and I want her to be independent, but that some things just aren't acceptable. I've put my foot down a couple of times. Each time I do, I feel like I may have just crossed the line and she won't want me back.
Reading some of the other posts it is reassuring to hear that others feel that although you were cheated on, you are the one who is 'on audition' to keep the cheating spouse. It's no fun, I know!
Still, the only way I cope is by trying to keep a positive self-image, to spend time with my sons, and to talk to friends. Not just any friends, mind you, but it is important to talk to friends who care about both of us, and who want our marriage to work. My wife talks to friends, too, but some of them are in adulterous relationships, and others don't offer an opinion in any circumstance.
Right now, every day is a roller coaster, and I'll be honest, that some days are pretty good. Still, it hurts to know that I am not allowed to touch her or see her undressed when I know she was willing to with HIM. That brings about a very territorial response that I'm not all that proud of, but feel nonetheless.
We are in counseling together, and she is going to begin counseling for her own issues (perhaps next week). I would love to get some advice, but the only advice I can give is this: be strong, do what is GOOD for you and your kids, don't do anything you'll regret later (like key his car or on the other extreme allow her to go party with the boys until 2:30 am on a Wednesday), seek consolation from friends who care about both of you, and BE PATIENT. The last is the toughest.
Response to :Cheating on and Working to Fix it
Dear JasonT9807,
No matter what happens, remember that you're special and there's no one else in the world like you. You deserve someone who wants to be with you 100%, head over heels crazy about you and only you.
There may be more going on with your wife than even she's realized (or verbalized). Hopefully, counseling will help her come to terms with who she is (deep down), who she wants to be, what she wants out of herself and life, and what she's able and willing to offer in the way of a relationship/family.
I wish you all well!
Images Erased
I see you didn't get my last post. I am new on this website. OK--shortened version:
1) Talk back to your mind with other images. When the image pops up, replace it with a positive one--non-sexual. Keep doing this
2)If you see the women with him, put funny faces on the women--cartoons, comedians,etc.
3) Coach yourself with separation anxiety mantras such as: "It's ok. It's gonna be ok."
4) When falling asleep:
Pray yourself to sleep, say a repetitive positive mantra, listen to a CD of nature sounds.
5) The more regular sleep you get, your mind will heal.
Images out of your Mind
Dear Ideservebetter,
Did you get my post with ideas? I wrote all this stuff and then registered. Did it go through? Let me know. I'll send again if it didn't.
raindrop685
Cheating navy man
My husband and I have been married for 12 years. We have a 6 year old. I found out that he was cheating when I was PG. I tried getting over that and was getting better with it until I found pictures on a disc that had my son's baby pictures on it. There were also pictures of my husband having intercouse with about three other women. The image is burned into my brain and I just do not know what to do. How do I get over this and get that image out of my mind. Any good advise?
To stay or to leave...
i have been married for almost 20 years. i am 50 and a man. my wife is 7 years younger than i am. there has been issues from day 1. some worse than others. my hands are as dirty as my wifes. she wanted to call it quits several times for quite awhile. i have held off. she cannot support herself. she was the stay home mom for the first few years, but got back to work when our youngest was 3 - 4 yrs old. she has been going to school to be a teacher and she should have graduated 1 year ago, but she has dropped out 3 times for various reason. she wants out, but expects me to leave becasue she says she is stuck. we have 2 kids. 18 and 16. boy girl in that order. i want to stay and have her leave, but again she will not budge. out daughter is stubbord and pig headed. so is my wife and when they clash i get dragged in the middle, mostly by my wife. our daughter will not live with her and i tell her that her mother loves her and no one can repalce her. i admit i am easier on both kids, but my daughter asks to do things more. i am at my wits end because my wife can go live with her aunt, but she will not go. too many demons from her past. friends of ours and 1 firend of hers have told me my wife is the issue with our daughter. power and fear is what our daughters therapist told me she sensed in my wife.
where to meet a nice woman
when to give up on marriage
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Can empathize
I am walking in your shoes. My husband of 23 years has never been very interested in sex. It always was like some kind of favor he was doing for me after I complained and complained. It wrecked my self esteem. About 8 or 9 years ago both of us just gave up even the pretense, and haven't shared a bedroom since. We are not husband and wife, but more like bickering relatives forced to live together. It is a completely loveless marriage--very dysfunctional, sad and lonely. I wish I had left many years ago. We are now at a point where separation is just desperately necessary but can't happen, because in addition to everything else, he can no longer hold a job for more than a few months, and has ruined our finances and future.I have health problems, but have been the primary support for most of the last 7 years. We still have one child to put through college. I've reached the point of no hope, but also very little hope of breaking free and startging over. If your situation is different financially, and I were you, I would leave. it doesn't get better. If the attraction isn't there, it can't be forced. Sad, but true. I hope the best for you. Vent if you need to--it helps.
Can empathize
Yes, I can sympathize with you! We have been married 40 years. I was 19 when we married. Way too young, and not very knowing of what I 'really' wanted or deserved. Over the past 10 years our relationship has gotten worse, as far as what you call a marriage, relationship. There is no physical abuse, but emotional abuse, I guess you could say. I feel we live like roommates more than husband and wife. Up until about two years ago, we had a pretty good sex life (at least that was 'some' connection and intimacy) - a nice stress reliever too. :-)
My biggest complaint is, we hardly ever talk and have a conversation! I can't just 'talk' with him - he has to analyze everything or get upset about everything if you don't agree with him, or if he feels like he's being critizized - for anything!
I work full time, he's now retired (early) for almost a year. He has been in and out of the work force for the past 15 years with several different employers (due to downsizing, budget cuts, etc), so our retirement isn't looking too good. I 'like' going to work, just to have some fun, some conversation, and be with friends. I can't have this with him. I don't know how we're going to financially make it when I retire. To top it off, he isn't sitting at home trying to figure out how we ARE going to make it, or look into ways for us to make extra income. He sits at home all day and WATCHES TV!! Which infuriates me!! I hate TV, mostly because he always has his nose in it! This is alot of the problem why we don't have much conversation. He can't take his eyes off it, and it makes me feel very un-important (and I've told him so). When I get home from work, and after we eat dinner, he goes to the family room to watch whatever he wants to watch, and I go into the other room and get on the computer and watch whatever I want.
I'm 60 years old, attractive, very friendly personality, nice, easy to get along with, like to have fun and do fun things. My mind doesn't feel like it's 60, although my body has slowed down - a little. LOL I still have alot of life in me and want to enjoy the rest of my life, not sit around alone like a clump and wait to get old and die. He is almost five years older than I. I wish I had thought of this when we were dating.
Sometimes I feel as if I'm wasting the next 20 years of my life, staying in this relationship that seems to be going no where. And he's never very open to ANY kind of suggestions (even if it is positive). He thinks only HE is right, and everyone else is WRONG. He is very opionated and cynical. He makes me feel very uncomfortable when we are around other people, because I'm afraid of what he's going to say to affend someone around us. He just lets it fly! He shuts his mind, and thinks what HE WANTS TO THINK. HE IS ALWAYS RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG!! That is his mentality.
Any suggestions/ideas? I'm open. I too hate the thought of being alone, but that's a little contradictory, because I feel like I'm already alone most of the time anyway.
We have two grown sons, and a granddaughter.
Is there any hope? I feel like I'm on a teeter-totter.
Thanks for listening!
Been there - WAIT, I AM THERE!
Can I ever relate to that one Linda! However, a bit younger so we haven't been married quite as long, but we married young too. She was 18, I had turned 19 a week before our wedding. Back then, everything seemed to be so right, we hit it off great from day one, got married a year later, and things went well, so I thought, for a long time. $ years later, we had our first child, the second cam 2 years later. They're both grown now. But the last 3 years have been the most difficult. I'll explain, maybe someone can help me clear my mind enough to make some decisions. I've been an independant contractor for about 7 years, primarily working as a sub for other contractors, but bringing in business on my own too. Work has been relatively steady, wages pretty stable, and my wife was working for a good company as a book keeper. Well, as the company she worked for was going through some changes, mainly that the original founder was retiring and he was grooming his son for his replacement. Well, my wife and the son had some personality conflict as well as he had issues with her 'timeliness'. She had originally hired on with the understanding that her time was flexible as long as the work got completed, and she'd always make sure it was even if she had to spend the whole weekend there to do it. Ultimately though, it came down to the boss wanting her there at 9 am - no later, and she, being a creature of habit as we all are, didn't make it by 9 one too many times and was let go because of it. Not only did we loose a substancial part of our income (about 44%), but we lost our health care coverage, 401K savings match/plan, life insurance policies and more, so it was a substantial setback to say the least! She too was obviously upset, but seemingly took things in stride, and we agreed that she should take a little time and do some things around home that she'd been putting off for some time and get caught up so to speak. To back up a little, just prior to her loosing her job (2 weeks or so), our daughter had just got married, and the year or so prior to that, I had been taking on as much work as possible to help pay for the wedding. I pretty much worked 7 days a week, 8 to 12 hours a day non-stop for a year, but with the wedding now behind us and we still had a small bank account left, things were looking ok financially anyway. We've never really had a lot, but we had enough to get by on comfortably for the most part. Ok, so now she 's not working, and though her intentions of 'getting caught up on things' might have been noble, she has yet to accomplish any of them, in fact, has yet to even start them at all! Over the last three years, the process of being able to keep up with the monthly expenses has been more than challenging, and I'm still working 7 days a week! We haven't been able to afford for me to even take a sick day in 4 years, let alone any kind of vacation. The bills are now paid by which one is going to shut us off first, we're so far behind on the mortgage we're on the verge of loosing the house (I'm talking in the next couple of weeks it's that close!), and for 3 years, about all she's managed to do is watch soap operas, Ellen, and whatever else is on tv all day/night - the thing is on 24/7! She doesn't clean house, she doesn't cook meals (I don't consider Taco Bell or ordering pizza cooking!) more than once a week, she hasn't seriously looked for any job to speak of, even when a couple were dropped in her lap, she couldn't manage to go to the informal interview which was nothing more than a "Hi, you're hired" meeting! She either is in front of the computer (HER computer) or the tv ALL day, and usually BOTH AT THE SAME TIME! I've done my best to keep up with the bills, I really have! I've done pretty good too all things considered! But it's to a point I'm so burned out from work, it gets harder to get moving everyday. It's even harder to get motivated to do anything anymore, because I know it's all taken for granted! God forbid that I ever bring it up for discussion! All that happens there is she makes some remark about how mean I am and that all I care about is money, gets completely bent out of shape, stomps out of the room refusing to talk about it, and I don't hear a word out of her for 3 or 4 days. She doesn't come to bed, she either sleeps at her desk or in the guest bedroom, and hasn't come back to discuss it even one time in 3 years! Another tid-bit of history, when she lost her job, she started talking about wanting to do some type of business from home in order to make an income too. As we really didn't have an office per say at the time, I undertook the task of remodeling half of our basement that was once just storage area, into a better suited store room and a nicely finished, fully equipped office for her complete with lots of cabinets, counter space, outlets, phone lines, cable access - yeah, even a built in entertainment center with a tv/vcr in it (a mistake I now regret!), shoot, I even got on e-bay and found her a very good computer since her old one was acting up a lot. I made sure that she ad everything she needed to do whatever she put her mind to doing to ensure her success that I could think of! And all along the way, as she would bring things up, I'd do my best to accomodate them, yet to this day, she hasn't put enough effort towards anything to bring in one thin dime! Nothing! However, I've gathered up some $5,800+ worth of scratched lottery tickets from her office, oh boy! But the real kicker? You can't hardly even walk through her office, let alone function in it! She has it stuffed with more JUNK than she has sense, stuff I've put on craigs list to give away has ended up stashed away in there! Stacks of old encyclopedias we'll never use, computer parts she doesn't even know what to do with, I mean JUNK! She's had the same stack of files sitting out (not in the filing cabinet - OUT) for over 2 years - some of which have been long dead files!
Ok, enough ranti
Open your eyes
Short and Sweet. When the trust and the honsetly, and the warmth and the sharing stops in a marriage... it is time, to say...Good Bye. Marriage is caring and sharing. Being open and honest to another being. Being concerned about their safety and well being. Protecting them always. When the games begin... it is no more than, a marriage and union of two trusting souls going bad. RID OF IT.
Your story sounds a little
Your story sounds a little like mine, just opposite roles from ours. How much 'younger'?
If you come up with some kind of solution, please let me know.
Thanks for replying to my post.
LindaG
When is enough
Okay here is my problem, I've been trying to deal with the fact that my husband of 20 some years no longer has an interest in having sex or any relationship of husband and wife. For 7 of those 20 years I thought something was wrong with me and trying to get him to talk about what may be bothering him and all he would say was that nothing was wrong. Then I came across a posting he put on the internet for wanting sex. Now he tells me nothing happnend and he did nothing wrong, and still we have no connection as husband and wife. I'm really feel like I'm trying to keep a marriage alive that's already gone. He just won't talk with me about this or for that matter anything, and just sweeps things away as if they never happened. Any ideas? Thanks for letting me vent here
are you happy
I once read that sex in long term marriage is like mating in captivity...
go to alexgrey.com and go to the cosmos and look for the retreat for married couples who want to get the erotic back in their long term relationship... good luck and don't take his lack of interest personal, he can't help what turns him on and what doesn't, intimacy doesn't always lead to hot sex...
wrong pattern
Scarlet,
you are searching for patterns to continue getting hurt. His childhood is no excuse for this behaviour. You should write him a letter. Here it is most important, that you communicate on the fact-channel. (Follow the Schulz v. Thun - communication model here!)
You explain what your motivation is. You should list all options available. Pick one and invite him to follow your thoughts. If he cannot follow your thoughts despite this huge amount of help you offer him, you should take the opportunity to continue with life. Even from these few postings, I can derive, that you're a person of outstanding excellence. Life will offer you great opportunities...
Now let's get back on him. He avoids any contact surely not without reason. He got something to hide, which would hurt you more than just lying. So he chose to lie. Simple thing. Now what is your option? Continue with a compromised love and looking for more pain to come? Is he capable in bringing you so much happiness, that this way of the tears is worth it? Or will you extract yourself from it and abandon all the values you brought in there?
Answering that question is a matter of yourself only. I can only provide you an algorithm, which you need to fill with life and data for getting a valid decision on this.
Stop excusing his bad behaviour first!
See you
Jörg

