Lovesickness
Lovesickness
Welcome to The Rules Support Group.
Our Lovesickness discussion is the moment we have all be waiting for! You will never meet anyone as perfect as him again, and/or your body is telling you that you are in love even though your brain is Weeding. OUCH!
"Its a law of the Universe that the more you try to get the love and attention of someone who doesn't naturally want you, the more frustrated and unhappy you will be. We give up the struggle. We accept that some people don't want us and we go on to the next. We don't force people to love us."
You're not alone!
Leigh
I respectfully apologise if my post offended you - that was not my intention.
It was just an alternative point of view.
its interesting to hear
its interesting to hear (read, and see) that these boards have "been abandoned"- i remember in the 90s when people would respond to posts within 2 minutes! the board was So populated! but not always by loving posters. i read the last few pages and didnt hear or see much of Anything rude or abrasive compared to the90s! i remember people's Handles were even named things like Frosty!! It was brutal, and may be why I left the boards :( (and perhaps why Ellen and Sherrie would not be affiliated with these boards officially for a long time as far as i know). so Im glad to see the kindness and honesty, both in feeling offended and trying to mend that, even the offense was very slight.
ex boards are Very painful and every9one's dealing with a TON of feelings- break ups and man pain in my opin and experience are THE hardest thing to deal wthi in life, and that even includes Death.
thanks everyone for sharing up here! it means so much. im getting the courage to post my situation soon...
DASRIGHT
The boards have changed a bit...even from just a few months ago.
It's true, when going through a break up, or during any kind of man pain, our emotions run high, and we (or at least I!) can be super sensitive. This is normal and okay...and understandable. Our ability to feel so deeply is part of what makes us women, after all.
Looking forward to hearing your story.
Taylor
Eloise
I am sorry that you perceived my post as passing judgement, that was not the intention. It most certainly was not 'gratuitous criticism' It was merely a statement that in my opinion a positive attitude and approach bring better results that negative thoughts and affirmations.
These were my thoughts and advice not a criticism of any other poster.
Abby
I think maybe it would work better for you to do personal affirmations - tell yourself that
a) you are enough.
b) you don't need anyone to check in on you to see that you are okay.
c) you are happy and receptive to all the good things going on around you.
I think that if you have thoughts like those in previous posts ,whilst amusing in theory, it will transmit a very unreceptive and even more frosty atmosphere. In a small working environment it is important to keep happy working conditions - try not to worry about what he is doing and just concentrate on doing your own work really well.
LEONETTE
Your advice to Abby was excellent, but may I kindly ask that you please post advice WITHOUT passing judgement on other people's opinions (in this case Leigh78's post).
These boards are already deserted enough, gratuitous criticism will only discourage RGs from posting.
Let us remind ourselves of this support group's paradigm:
the level of appreciation and involvement in The Rules or Rules Support is not up for discussion. We agree that individuals should have the opportunity to hear all sides in striving to lead full lives and to hold out for the relationships that honour who we are
I appreciate the necessity to step in when behaviour which breaks TR is prescribed - but this was not the case in the post by Leigh78. One can't break any of TR by THOUGHT alone.
Self Talk
Seriously, I would start talking to yourself about this guy. Use real demeaning phrases. For instance, when he crosses your path in the office, think to yourself "Ugh, you little sh*t! Get the f*ck out of my way!" If he does address you, think to yourself "oh my god, shut up you little prick." If you are in the room when he addresses anyone else think "will someone tell this piece of human waste to close the hole in his face?" Seriously. Pissy thoughts directed at him on a regular basis will help you reshape your feelings towards him. It's worked for me. Good Luck.
LEIGH78
Self talk! I love it!
You know, a lot of us are TOO NICE, the kind of self talk you describe here would help override our instincts to be helpful, overly polite and pleasant to even the biggest morons!
Not to mention, all your phrases are absolutely HYSTERICAL!
"Ugh, you little sh*t! Get the f*ck out of my way!" If he does address you, think to yourself "oh my god, shut up you little prick." If you are in the room when he addresses anyone else think "will someone tell this piece of human waste to close the hole in his face?"
This is the funniest thing I've heard in ages! I love it!
Could you post more of these gems?
Thank you
Self Talk
Thanks, Leigh. Unfortunately, I'm not sure this would work in my particular situation....I feel like it's already a bit frosty between us -- maybe I am reading into things too much, but I can't afford to have feelings of ill-will towards a co-worker, especially since our department is so small. I really want to get along with him, even if it not romantically, but for my own peace of mind and to make things easier on me at work. I just don't know how to go about doing that...I noticed that he's receptive to everyone who approaches him, but rarely walks around and strikes up a conversation with other people. So I don't exactly take it personally, I just don't think he sees me as anything special. My question now is, how to make the working environment a little less awkward and chilly....I did my best to be friendly when I first started. He could have been a little more welcoming, even if he wasn't really interested...It would have been "classier" for him to check in and see how I was doing a little more frequently. He did that somewhat, but in my opinion, not enough. Maybe my expectations are too high?
Most everyone else at the office has beeb friendlier though the past couple of weeks, so that's good. I'll be happy when I'm no longer the new person.
GOOD RULES GIRL WITH A BAD BOY GONE WORSE
A RULES GIRL AND A BAD BOY GONE WORSE
Hi guys, I made a big mistake this week- this is going to be along and potentially very interesting post about a bad boy and a rules girl!!
enjoy and learn from my mistake(s) and please feel free to offer gentle words of support cuz im in total need! Thebasic message is, even though i ldidnt want to marry this guy, i had the upper hand and was about to drop him, told him so, decided to sleep with him at the last minute, then he texted a few times the next day but never called (bad, right?!) and im feeling used (poor me right! lol) and angry and right back at square zero after 4 months of doing great rules with him and getting over my EX!
here are the detailz:
I had this guy wrapped around my finger with PERFECT rules!! He approached me on match- In the beginning, he wasnt respectful- wasnt going to come to me for first dates so i canceled them (like day of). he quickly got message, started cabbing to pick me up and making reservations well in advance. Only thing unperfect about it was that he was an obvious player type or shall i say skeezy guy but i was in an extremely broken hearted place from an ex and was so into the attention i was getting from the rules that i still duty dated him- then, you wont believe this, but on the 4th date he told me right before our long anticipated first real make-out session) that he was a dj at a strip club for 15 YEARS!!OMG!! i was devastated. he apologized and said he was sorry ( for his life! lol) and seemed sort of shocked at my reaction. As I was dying to kiss him, i did anyway despite my run out the door to the first exit sign instincts! then got sick for 3 days. I was able to cut it off for a few weeks but then i got drawn back in (he kept texting). due to the fact that I was so Rulesy I LOVED myself in this new dance! I was so wanted, he had picked me up at my apartment for EVERY single date, paid for everything, made reservations was a gentleman- it was HARD to take in this new information about his past in the clubs and let him go! Plus, to be honest, he looked like my ex and he was 6'5"!!!!! And he has always had a second job as a rock radio dj, and im a rock singer - but bottom line is he truly is a REALLY bad boy- his myspace page, which i only saw recently, says he's looking to me interesting smart people..oh, and girls with nice boobies :)" (always puts the smile- men do this who are bad deep down as they are trying to cover bull$%#@! with a smile!) along with seeking your approval, of course.
i had such a strong attraction to this guy, that everytime he texted me my heart would get ignited and i couldnt even give another guy a chance. THE DEVIL HAD ME WRAPPED! even after learning baout his sordid past. so the day before my birthday, i told him to cease contacting me and he let me know in big letters that he had planned all sorts of things for my birthday, namely to drop off a bouquet of flowers. i was devastated- it may sound stupuid, but flowers mean a LOT to me- the love of my life died 2 years ago and he bought me flowers nearly every time he came ot see me. a TOTAL rules relationship! then last year the guy i was seeing got me liek 1 flower and treated me badly around my brithday, we broke up a few weeks later, so i really wanted these flowers on my birthday. call me naive, silly- whatever, but this is apparently what droveme to offer him a goodbye kiss- JUST bc i knew hed stioll bring the flowers if he thought there as still a chance. i basically begged for the flowers and probably didnt need to- he had deliveed (he says he ordered them in the am before i went beggin in a fun silly way but who knows) $100 bouquet of pink orchids and baby roses ans wella s peach bigger roses (stunning in a square glass vase- to die for!!) and a box of chocolates. I seriously thiought this guy wanted something with me and i fell for this.
he isnt my religion, either- he started off jewish and so did i i but i went through a conversion to christianity. he know this, and was so sweet when i tried to break things off- said if i ever wanted to revisit "us" i should contact him, that he spoke with his mother about me, the whole nine yards...
SOOOOO...I went to his place the day after my birthday (he picked me up in a cab and too me htere at least! lol) and SLEPT WITH HIM and he held my hand all night- then told me his break up horror stories in the morning (player trick?). When i left this place i texted that id like to keep what happened between us (we know some people in common) and he joked back that he couldn't talk, he was editing the yo utube video from last night (i thought that was hilarious) then a few hours later he wrote "last nite was a great nite ;'" (theres that wink again, ladies!!) and i wrote back a few hours later an unrules "amazing"...to which i got nothing- 6pm, 7pm, 8pm....til 1:30 after i went to bed he only wrote, did not call- intercourse, mind you! "nite, young lady"
Is this "young lady" thing a player phrase? ive heard weird playery mystery method guys use this frequently.
The night of sleep was terrible for both of us- i think we were both uncomfortable- we had talked about and fantasized about a sleep over for so long and really, it was a mess. the sex, too, was good but not like the first make out session on the couch when there was still possibility and passion. and then there's the "maybe he thought i had bigger breasts" worry since i wear a padded bra to look like a c but im only a perky b.
(am i really writing this?)
so now all day i never texted him and he didnt either and i feel he gave up. i know its a blessing cuz i cant marry him yet still feel like total and utter SHIT.
any thoughts on my shitty as-of-now- unrulesy life appreciated!! (obviously, he MIGHT text me in the next week, to which i shouldn't respond- ever again...? i think the damage has been done and now i have to live with it and move forward. but what if he doesnt text (ugggh- or cal
Dasright
Hi honey,
Pick yourself up, brush yourself off, so what you made a mistake today is a brand new day - you're beautiful and amazing, the world is at you beck and call.
Pamper yourself and think of all the wonderful things you have to be grateful for and plan a fun weekend.
As for the guy, hmm, if he calls and its convenient to you, answer. If its not convenient or you don't feel like talking to him, don't answer. His loss!
Go have a fantastic weekend.
((hugs))
GOOD RULES GIRL WITH A BAD BOY GONE WORSE
A RULES GIRL AND A BAD BOY GONE WORSE
Hi guys, I made a big mistake this week- this is going to be along and potentially very interesting post about a bad boy and a rules girl!!
enjoy and learn from my mistake(s) and please feel free to offer gentle words of support cuz im in total need! Thebasic message is, even though i ldidnt want to marry this guy, i had the upper hand and was about to drop him, told him so, decided to sleep with him at the last minute, then he texted a few times the next day but never called (bad, right?!) and im feeling used (poor me right! lol) and angry and right back at square zero after 4 months of doing great rules with him and getting over my EX!
here are the detailz:
I had this guy wrapped around my finger with PERFECT rules!! He approached me on match- In the beginning, he wasnt respectful- wasnt going to come to me for first dates so i canceled them (like day of). he quickly got message, started cabbing to pick me up and making reservations well in advance. Only thing unperfect about it was that he was an obvious player type or shall i say skeezy guy but i was in an extremely broken hearted place from an ex and was so into the attention i was getting from the rules that i still duty dated him- then, you wont believe this, but on the 4th date he told me right before our long anticipated first real make-out session) that he was a dj at a strip club for 15 YEARS!!OMG!! i was devastated. he apologized and said he was sorry ( for his life! lol) and seemed sort of shocked at my reaction. As I was dying to kiss him, i did anyway despite my run out the door to the first exit sign instincts! then got sick for 3 days. I was able to cut it off for a few weeks but then i got drawn back in (he kept texting). due to the fact that I was so Rulesy I LOVED myself in this new dance! I was so wanted, he had picked me up at my apartment for EVERY single date, paid for everything, made reservations was a gentleman- it was HARD to take in this new information about his past in the clubs and let him go! Plus, to be honest, he looked like my ex and he was 6'5"!!!!! And he has always had a second job as a rock radio dj, and im a rock singer - but bottom line is he truly is a REALLY bad boy- his myspace page, which i only saw recently, says he's looking to me interesting smart people..oh, and girls with nice boobies :)" (always puts the smile- men do this who are bad deep down as they are trying to cover bull$%#@! with a smile!) along with seeking your approval, of course.
i had such a strong attraction to this guy, that everytime he texted me my heart would get ignited and i couldnt even give another guy a chance. THE DEVIL HAD ME WRAPPED! even after learning baout his sordid past. so the day before my birthday, i told him to cease contacting me and he let me know in big letters that he had planned all sorts of things for my birthday, namely to drop off a bouquet of flowers. i was devastated- it may sound stupuid, but flowers mean a LOT to me- the love of my life died 2 years ago and he bought me flowers nearly every time he came ot see me. a TOTAL rules relationship! then last year the guy i was seeing got me liek 1 flower and treated me badly around my brithday, we broke up a few weeks later, so i really wanted these flowers on my birthday. call me naive, silly- whatever, but this is apparently what droveme to offer him a goodbye kiss- JUST bc i knew hed stioll bring the flowers if he thought there as still a chance. i basically begged for the flowers and probably didnt need to- he had deliveed (he says he ordered them in the am before i went beggin in a fun silly way but who knows) $100 bouquet of pink orchids and baby roses ans wella s peach bigger roses (stunning in a square glass vase- to die for!!) and a box of chocolates. I seriously thiought this guy wanted something with me and i fell for this.
he isnt my religion, either- he started off jewish and so did i i but i went through a conversion to christianity. he know this, and was so sweet when i tried to break things off- said if i ever wanted to revisit "us" i should contact him, that he spoke with his mother about me, the whole nine yards...
SOOOOO...I went to his place the day after my birthday (he picked me up in a cab and too me htere at least! lol) and SLEPT WITH HIM and he held my hand all night- then told me his break up horror stories in the morning (player trick?). When i left this place i texted that id like to keep what happened between us (we know some people in common) and he joked back that he couldn't talk, he was editing the yo utube video from last night (i thought that was hilarious) then a few hours later he wrote "last nite was a great nite ;'" (theres that wink again, ladies!!) and i wrote back a few hours later an unrules "amazing"...to which i got nothing- 6pm, 7pm, 8pm....til 1:30 after i went to bed he only wrote, did not call- intercourse, mind you! "nite, young lady"
Is this "young lady" thing a player phrase? ive heard weird playery mystery method guys use this frequently.
The night of sleep was terrible for both of us- i think we were both uncomfortable- we had talked about and fantasized about a sleep over for so long and really, it was a mess. the sex, too, was good but not like the first make out session on the couch when there was still possibility and passion. and then there's the "maybe he thought i had bigger breasts" worry since i wear a padded bra to look like a c but im only a perky b.
(am i really writing this?)
so now all day i never texted him and he didnt either and i feel he gave up. i know its a blessing cuz i cant marry him yet still feel like total and utter SHIT.
any thoughts on my shitty as-of-now- unrulesy life appreciated!! (obviously, he MIGHT text me in the next week, to which i shouldn't respond- ever again...? i think the damage has been done and now i have to live with it and move forward. but what if he doesnt text (ugggh- or cal
Dating your colleagues
I can't remember if this is covered in any of the rules book.
Anyway, it is usually not a very good idea to date someone you work with.
It makes the rules very challenging because he gets to see you everyday, therefore, trying to be mysterious becomes much more challenging. If the relationship does not work out it can be an absolute nightmare to continue to work with the person, not to mention what others will think!
If you have a fight, it will be hard to focus because he is there. If he is not stepping up or being a jerk, it will be hard.
Having said all of this, it can be very hard to meet guys elsewhere and work is an easy place to see how someone is. I know of a few good relationships that started at work. In each case, someone left the company so they could pursue a relationship.
In the meantime. Make sure your life is really, busy. Date others. Try OLD, get out. It is critical to be bootcamp at work with men, especially the ones that you are interested in.
If this guy does not make a move, then let it go, he is not that interested.
Remember the rules will not make a guy want you. The rules will help you weed out the guys that are lukewarm and are not stepping up, so you won't waste your time. The rules will will ignite a spark, but there has to be a spark.
Dating your colleagues
Thanks Northern Star, for your advice. BTW, what does "dating OLD" mean?
More generally, I'm quickly realizing that not only does this guy at work not seem interested in me, he doesn't even seem to like me very much...We work in a small department (3 people in total) and we are total equals...Our offices are across the hall from each other...I just started this job less one month ago and he never comes by to see how things are going, to say "good night" or "have a good weekend"...He's definitely responsive when I ask him for questions on a certain work-matter, but everything else, he just gives a phony smile or some kind of lip-service response...I don't know what I did to "turn him off since at the beginning a least he was remotely interested in me", and worse, I am so ashamed for hoping that someone who could be like that to me would like me, and that I still care...I am worried that he caught the vibe that I liked him and that turned it him off and that makes me feel lousy. I did my best to be as friendly the same to him as I am to everyone else. Everyone always tells me how sweet, nice and cute I am (another guy just compared me to someone who was voted one of the hottest celebrities in our city)...Yet, when stuff like this happens, I feel SOOO unattractive. This is a recurrent theme in my life, no matter how hard I try not to fall for someone who isn't interested...THen I get worried that people can sense my lack of confidence and it alienates me and them even more......I know this is a non-rules response to a "blip" on the screen, that I should just be able to shrug off his unfriendliness (which I could be reading way too much into, anyway, cuz I know all of this could be his personality deficiencies) and say that's their loss, but I just can't do that right now...Even if nothing could happen between us because we work together, all I want is to enjoy working with the people I work with and have fun...Right now I'm feeling quite alone at work (new person syndrome) and this is the only place I can vent my true feelings.
I also started a new job
I also started a new job cleaning @ Tyco but in my case the co-worker i thought had a crush on me was this old man that said i was cute and said something on the lines of "going out sometime"
But he doesn't have good transportation and I saw some red flags including don't make enough money is cheap. If he asked you at the same time as another woman he could be a player or like to play the field that could be
a RED FLAG. I learned if he doesn't go out of his way to be near you then he's probably not that interested I would just stay away and see if on his own he pursues you without any effort on your part and continue TR.
need some bootcamp Rules help tonight
Hello everyone,
I started a new job and have a bit of a crush on my co-worker. This is just my third week, so would I know by now if there is a chance he would be interested? He was very helpful and nice when the first few days I was there, and now, when ask him questions about office procedures (which Ive been trying to do sparingly with him, but in some cases, it's unavoidable), he's helpful but that's it. On the one hand, he rarely comes by my office to chat, just a courtesy hello and goodbye. On the other hand, on the first day he asked me to lunch with his friend (but then another worker tagged along and we all got split up at the food court anyway), but then it's customary to ask people out for lunch on their first day so I didn't see that as anyhing special. Other than that, he's asked me to come along to a group drink event, but he asked me at the same time as another woman who was in the room with me (so I don't count that either), but I thought of TR and so, I couldn't make it that night.
Bottom line is, I obviously won't make any moves on him, but I just want to know whether a rules guy who just meets you at work would make a move right away? Any insight?
By the way, I overheard him saying he broke up with his gf of a few months and is now single.
Esther - I didn't add him
Hi Esther, thank you for your response. Well, I ended up rejecting his "friend" request, and it was much harder than I expectted. It actually made me upset afterwards, because a part of me wanted to add him just so he could see what he was missing. But i know that it was best to reject him (even though I don;t see it now) because I had to make a stand against his previous behaviour. I just wish I felt good about it. I always thought that ultimately rejecting him back would make me feel good, but it hasn't...But i know that they say once you close a door on one thing another one ultimately opens
Shygirl~ The Rules do say
Shygirl~
The Rules do say that if he hurt you once, he can do it just as easily again. The advice that follows is now he has to work twice as hard as he once did to get in your good graces.
He is an ex for a reason. Believe me, he made himself one. Stop the self-blame first and forgive yourself a little. Maybe your actions at the time didn't scare him enough to stay with you but he was the one who made you insecure.
Then ask yourself if you are in a good place. (Which I'm kinda thinking you are not). If you are in a good place, then it wouldn't matter if he asked to befriend you on Facebook or not. You can take him or leave him (which is a really good place to be).
I say don't do it. Do you really want to be unhappy again?
Ex trying to get back in touch with me, HELP
Hi,
I could really use some advice on an ex of mine that is trying to get back in contact with me. I have not spoken to him in about 1.5 years, and the last time we spoke things had ended quite badly.
To go over the history briefly, we dated a few months before our relationship became long distance and I admit I was a bit unrulesy during our time apart, I acted a bit clingy trying to keep up the contact. He stopped talking to me for several months and then one day he wrote me an e-mail desperately wanting me to hear from me. I was very upset at him for his disappearance and told him if he was really interested in me he never would have disappeared. Well, he tried to call me to "talk about it" and fix what he had done, but I had changed my phone number. But, when I gave him my new number, he never ended up calling.
Now, 1.5 years later he is trying to add me as a friend to Facebook and now I don;t know what to do. A part of me wants to ignore his request since he left me hanging for so long, and sine he disappeared once, he does not deserve to hear from me again. But a part of me wants to add him to see what he wants.
Any thoughts anyone?
Rules new - living with bf we have baby
Living with boyfriend, no marriage
Hi, I am new at this forum and my English is not perfect. Have you all read the Rules? My boyfriend and me, we live together one year. And we have common baby girl. But he seems not to have the intention yet to marry me. He sais that he feels something for me but that love must become more as it does not suffy to marry me. He has his own firm and travels every 2 weeks. So how can I apply the Rules??? I do not know how. I already stopped telling him that I love him etc. But I cannot go out with friends, we have no granny or ounts and no help here, so I always must pay for a babysitter. Can I apply the Rules at home? How? I already am using make up every day etc. But it seems not to be enough. Has someone maid similar experiences? Thanks in advance, cinderella1208
Cinderealla1208
Because you have a baby, I hesitate to dole out advice so quickly.
Needless to say, I'd re-read TR and find things you CAN do.
You said you wear makeup already. Always a plus. Leonette said it best when she said TR is about healthy boundaries for US and not THEM.
Sadly, it sounds like your boyfriend may not have intentions to marry you.
You could accept that and learn to adjust.
Or keep taking care of yourself and financially set yourself up to make a move out on your own with your baby.
Then set up visitation and when you're ready, you can date while your boyfriend babysits.
Just something to think about for the future. A good book for you to read.."Getting to I Do' by Pat Allen.
Isabela
still heartbroken after so many years
I have read the rules over & over again, and I sure do wish I knew then what I know now....I can modify my behaviour now, but sometimes I still hurt over something that happened TEN years ago with a man I met only a few times. I don't want to go into too much detail, but the point is I really felt like I could be myself around him and relax in a way that I have a hard time doing with anyone since, to this day. The thing is, he made it perfectly clear, a few times, that he wasn't even interested in being friends with me...I even ran into him a couple of years ago, and since it had been so long ago, he didn't even recognize me (or so he led me to believe)! Someone introduced us and he simply shook my hand and said nice to meet you -- can a man really see you naked and completely forget what you look like??
In any case, I don't know why I still cling to the thought of him. I haven't had very good experiences with men in general. I wish I could say the Rules transformed my life and delivered prince charming to me, but all I can say is that they have provided me with the resources to shield myself from future pain. After so many years of knowing the Rules, I am still single.
Anyone able to give me some perspective?
Are you heartbroken?
Hi Abby,
Are you really heartbroken? Perhaps you are sad at how it all ended and think of him fondly?
I can relate to that ..Met a great guy who was already married. Chemistry all over the place but bad timing for he had already found his mate--GFN and very-unrulesy--but the mate he chose nevertheless. Long time ago.
So maybe you're not *clinging* to the thought of him but l&b remembering him fondly.
I did TR waaaay back when it first came on the scene as well.
I did them to the best of my abilities and did find someone great. Unfortunately, he passed away and I found myself back out in the dating world.
Gabe asked me to be exclusive on Saturday night and I can only imagine that it both freaked him out(taking the plunge towards commitment) and enthralled him also (falling in love with a DG and wanting to take her off the scene before another man beats him too it).
So definitely giving him a lot of space this week.
We also have TR meetings here. Some of these ladies, who are local members at the meetings, are also on the boards. They're doing just great in comparison to where they started.
Hang in there if you can. Re-read TR (the updated ones--I still had the old) and read these posts. As many posts as possible, and not just from the ones that appear to be following TR 100%. I gain strength and gratitude from those who are struggling as well as seemingly soaring.
Wishing you well.
Isabela
Hi Isabela, Thank you so
Hi Isabela,
Thank you so much for your reply. Yes, in a way, I believe that my memories of this particular fellow are bittersweet -- bitter, in the sense that I remember being so nice to him and thinking that was enough to make him like me (of course, that does not work), and sweet because I remember how pure my motives were, and how it's been so long (especially since I've read TR) that I felt that type of "puppy love". In a way, those feelings were L&B, but the outcome was unsatisfying.
I've also been thinking a lot about how TR might work in improving my friendships and relationships with bosses and co-workers. I still feel like I am acting selfless in taking an interest in their needs but my own needs are not being met. For example, one of my friends forgot my birthday (and this was an important one!) and it suddenly dawned on me that 1) I never would have done that; and 2) It's never going to get better with her...this is as good as our friendship gets. She just is too wrapped up in her own problems to set aside others' needs as a priority. Also my boss let me down recently when he promised a bonus and didn't deliver. I feel so awkward around him now, but he's so irrational that I'm afraid if I bring it up he'll make things worse for me.
Bottom line, I can't keep writing off my friends (even though that is how TR operate in the realm of dating), and until I find a better job, I will have to learn how to deal with my unfair boss. Any suggestions how I might be able to get what I deserve, not just with men, but in my other relationships generally?
Abby
I am sorry that this is still troubling you after so many years. It is a sad and unfortunate fact of life that there are men out there who will take advantage of you and won't even remember. BUT you are in charge of yourself now and you have to forgive yourself for whatever it is that you think you did wrong.
THEN
b LET IT GO!!!
Build a new life, full of things that you enjoy. Go painting, dancing, swimming, to the gym, anything at all that you love to do.
To me TR is not all about marrying Prince Charming. I found it was all about forming healthy boundaries and filling my life with good stuff and walking away from the bad.
I would advise you to go and have fun, get to know people. Maybe by meeting someone through one of your interests you may learn to relax with them more.
perspective
Hi, I just can tell you a good internet side called kathtreff.org. Most is written in German, but it is an Austrian side and I believe that most people do understand English there. It costs about 20 Dollars for 3 months of registration, but good is that there it is a side where only people are registered that are catholic and that want to marry. Just an idea, good luck.
Pearlbutterfly
Sandy is spot on with her advice.
It is very hard to not call or email but men really do need space in which to process thoughts and fall in love. The more you push and ask him how he feels the further away he will be.
One thing that I found really helpful was remembering
b Everything in life you chase runs away!!
My suggestions for you would be to get busy - find new interests, take up dancing, a new course at college, join an art club, anything really that will get you out and about and busy. It is much easier not to contact someone if you are busy with other things.
As for not letting him know how you feel. I am not a hardline bootcamp RG so you may get different advice from other sections of these boards. You have been dating 3 months so I don't think there is a problem in letting him realise that you do like him as long as you don't get clingy and keep telling him. Also, keep your emotional disclosure equalent to his i.e. if he says he loves you, then it is okay for you to say you love him, not necessarily at the same time but at an appropriate time.
Also, when he does next talk to you, definitely be L&B, busy and having fun. Only stay on the phone for max 10 minutes and then excuse yourself 'It's been lovely talking to you, I'm so sorry I really have to go now' Be open and receptive but not demanding.
Good luck
IPA - where to dance?
Hi Ipa, I am new to these boards as well, but would it be possible to try dancing in a nearby community? That way you do not risk bumping into him. I am not sure of your current living situation, if this community is a very small town or what.
I can understand you not wanting to bump into him. And to see him with his new gf when you are by yourself might make the night very unpleasant.
If you are always worried about bumping into him it might hinder on you acting like a CUAO and give yourself away to potential men you might want to meet. Would it be possible to go dancing in a nearby commnity?
Found the one I want, how do I reel him in and make him mine?
I finally found a man that I met from online like that I really like! I had been dating these guys that were too young for me because these were the guys that were asking me out. This new guy is older than me and a gentleman and old fashioned which I like very much and what I was looking for. He seems a little insecure because of his age and I did something unrulesy when he said something that let me know that he was insecure about his age. I told him that I loved the fact that he was old fashioned and that I was dating these young guys but that I really wanted to be with someone old fashioned like him. Then he said in a very nice way that he didn't want to here any details about other guys that I'm dating, then I apologized for bringing up other guys and that they were in the past (yes I know very unrulesy) and he said still very nicely and friendly way "I mean it's none of my business. If your busy. Your busy." I guess he may be saying this becase I've only been seeing him like once a week because I'm busy with work. Any ways this leads me to think that he's seeing other women. This was our 3rd date (including date zero). So I'm alreay PBTing about this guy. He does have a job where he's out of town alot so, who knows he could have a woman in every place that he goes for all I know.
So what should I do or not do from here to make him be "my man"?
Before the Rules, hi I'm new.
Before The Rules,
I asked my boyfriend of 3 months if he still felt the same way about me. He evaded the question, I let it drop. I brought it up again.
The third time, instead of evading, he explained that he is working a lot and 'just doesn't have time' to email me. He sounds exasperated, like he doesn't know what I want.
He has NEVER spoken to me that way before, sarcasticly.
After reading the Rules, I realize that THE ONLY thing that is like the rules in our relationship, is that he contacted me first,and we haven't had sex.
There is no challenge, I let him know exactly how I feel.
Since we met three months ago,he has emailed me every day. He has not emailed in 3 days, or called.
It's probably over, my heart is breaking.
PS. Hi I'm new. Nice to meet you.
Pearlbutterfly - not calling/e-mailing you
Hi I am new to these boards as well, but I can relate to your current situation.
Sometimes I find it hard to conceal that I like a guy. Although I don't come out and say "Hey I like you" my actions show it. I am however still trying to find out how to conceal this without showing too much interest. In my last courtiship I didn't like my guy for months. We worked together and lived together (not by choice but because our employer gave us the same housing along with other co-workers). He liked me since the beginning and I didn't see much in him mainly because he is 5 years younger than me (and I've dated enough younger guys that I am turned off by them). When I finally started developing feelings for him I began to go soft on him and show some bad behaviour - like expressing my hurt to him over something he accidentally did to me that upset me.
Although I do not know what to tell you in terms of not showing too much interest in him, please do not call him. He probably needs time to think about what has happened. He might be feeling a lot of pressure from you and doesn;t know how to talk to you right now. He may know you want more than he is ready to give. If you call him he may feel cornered which won't help your situation.
If he does not contact you for a few weeks with no explanation (especially after talking about such a heavy topic) consider it over. I have been there and each time they disappeared for that long (or longer!) I always knew something was wrong. It never felt right to me. The first time a guy disappeared om me (I did not know any better) I contacted him stating my feelings and he was overwhelmed. I was trying to hold on. He disappeared again only to show up months later. I accepted his bad behaviour which he freely dished out because he knew how I felt about him and was willing to put up with it. When the second guy disappeared on me I never contacted him. He eventually contacted me a few months later and I knew that after the first guy, this was the exact same situation and we parted on very bad terms. In my recent guy, he disappeared and I have not contacted him at all and he has not contacted me himself. I know it's over.
All I can say is don't chase him. Each time they disappear and come back much later on (like I said a few weeks compared to a few days) I knew their interest in me had ceased and it never felt right to me.
Hopefully by the time you get this he will have contacted you! If he doesn, please don;t sound too heavy, this will only scare him away again. Of course, this is my opinion and perhaps some of the more experienced RG can give you advice. Good luck!
Hi Ipa, I would suggest
Hi Ipa, I would suggest keeping your desire but changing the object(s) of your desire.
It feels lame at first but all roads lead to Rome!
Spiller
Advice needed...
I couldn't figure out where to start a new post. I dated someone for a year and a half...he pursued me and even talked marriage after a while. I wasn't ready at the time and the moment passed...he has since said he needed a break and there hasn't been any contact between us in about 8 months. I know well enough what him needing a "break" really means and I havn't contacted him since...though, it is breaking my heart and I was at the point where I was ready for more. However, he lives in my community and goes to local dances where I also like to go. (No, not for him...I simply enjoy it.) However, I'm told he has been attending events with someone new now. I do want to get out and dance myself...however, I'm not dating anyone and I don't want to run into him with his "new friend" when I'm by myself. It's an ego thing and it really hurts to see. I don't want to stop going to these things just because of him. What's a good way to deal with this? Thanks for any help.
Prime singles' zone
Blog it! A cat or a lion?
Does this look obvious?
Hi,
I have recently been trying to get over a friend of mine whom I got together with, but we have not spoken to each other in about a month and a half. I know that he is not that interested since he has not done anything to contact me lately. However, a few months ago he dedicated this song to me on Facebook and his dedication is just sitting on my profile. It is the only dedication on there. I want to delete it, not to hurt him (if that is possible), but so I do not have to stare it all the time and so I can seem like I do not really care. Do you think this looks too obvious? Or that I am trying to get his attention (which I am not)? I just don't want to look at it all the time and want to move on. Any thoughts?
Amen to that
Amen to that
Zhanna-friend
I had a crush on a roommate for a few months. This was pre-TR... but it was hard for me to tell if he could be interested in me as more than friends, or if I could somehow convince or get him to see me this way... the book that helped was "He's Just Not That into You" , TR, and an ebook Catch Him and keep Him.
Basically, if he doesn't see you as a 'potential lover' he sees you as a friend/mother/acquaintance. And for men, they either get the caveman response or they don't- for whatever reason. (some guys like blondes, some prefer brunettes)
So, don't hope for it. There IS someone out there who will call you every day, kiss you every date, spoil you rotten...but if a guy isn't , he just isn't into you. Don't waste time PBT for him!! get yourself ready for the guy who will give everything you want and need, and you won't even lift a finger! I have 2 great pursuers right now, if you live close, I'd even pass you one!
Oh, and my friend- wish it was more guy- yeah, he calls me 1x mos, since I moved out. We get along, but he does NOT see a romantic interest in me. It took awhile for me to find someone else, but I did. ( so he isn't the "only Guy" I'll ever be attracted to, but it was easy to FEEeeeeLLLL with those big feelings it means he must be the one!I thought it was fate how I moved there, his truck was the same color, and license had my cell ph 3 digits...!!! turns out he liked my company and cooking and I did all the work in the "friendship" too!
Good reminder that sometimes you're just not a guys type
TNT39
Zhanna
TNT, I really liked your post to Z because it reminded me that I need to remember if a guy doesn't like me it's not cause I'm not a nice, sweet and pretty woman, it could be that its just cause he likes taller women who are very thin or athletic or something.
I also like how you have 2 men pursuing you. I am pining for one that truth be told, either "he's just not that into me" or maybe, he likes women who are another type. Regardless, he's not calling and I deserve someone who will. It's nothing that we (or I) could ever do to change how they feel about us, they either like us or they don't and we have to move on if they don't like us, or don't like us enough.
So we need to stop beating ourselves up about what we did or didn't do and get our beautiful butts out there and let the men who are worthy of our attentions find us!
in love (?) with a friend
I see this thread is not very active but nonetheless wanted to post.
I've got feelings for a friend of mine who is very traditional and has no clue that I've begun to imagine what it would be like to date him! I compare all the men I meet with him, even as I know the likelihood we will ever date is very slim. He's in another city and we talk on the phone or text once per month, at best. I've started doing TR on him as of August...but again, only one "exchange" per month is rather hard to get any flirtation across. So I'm posting to say I'm love-sick or at least hope-sick over him. And I hope God can show me some signs one way or other in the coming months so I can put this fantasy out of my mind. If anyone has thoughts, let me know. Otherwise I just wanted ...well, to share this "out loud" as it were.
Broken Heart
Hi All-
I just heard about 'the rules' today and I'm going out tomorrow to buy the book.
I'm having a very tough time. I had a boyfriend for 2.5 years and earlier this year we started having problems. He felt he couldnt compete with me, wasn't good enough for me and couldn't give me what I wanted. We agreed to take a break but we never officially split up and we will still together all the time. This 'togetherness' went on until July 2nd when I said to him I couldnt do it anymore, I didn't know where we were going and was sick of doing all the work. After I did that we had some communication, he called me up, asked me who so and so (guys) were on facebook, he didn't know them. He also made a comment about seeing me out and his fear that he'd see me kissing another guy etc. Well, about 2 weeks ago, I found out while dragging me along and telling me from April to July we wouldnt see other people, we were taking it slow.....he was also seeing someone else! I was abosolutely gutted and angry and HURT of all things. I felt so betrayed! He even accepted gifts from me over that 4 months with the last one being at the end of JUNE! I gave him a watch as a congratulations for some successes he recently had in the sailing world. I went to his the other night to get the rest of my stuff, some money he owed me and the watch, it all went pretty bad and got aggressive. This watch I gave him he wouldnt give back to me. he said it was a gift and I couldn't take back a gift. But what he doesnt get is that it was a pride thing for me, he should have never taken it from me while seeing someone else. And I never even found out he was seeing someone from him, it was from her! I'm just gutted, feel so horribly betrayed.
Volpe Just read your post.
Volpe
Just read your post. Wow, he was a rat to not only accept gifts, but then be so petty as to not give them back! Well, at least you know you have good taste and he liked it! lol! ;)
By the time you read this you should be healing. I encourage you to skim around this site to help. You might also want to search (below on "forum search") for grlzpwr and read my CUAO butterfly transformation story! I just went through hell with a guy I swore was "the one", and was devasted. The good thing is it brought me back to TR after a long absence. Plus, I am now just "doing them" I am living them everyday, there's a big difference. See my post, on the salon board about this to get more of an explanation.
Good luck to you. You definately deserve better!
Hey GRLZPWR! Thats a great
Hey GRLZPWR! Thats a great post! I'm going to 'CLASSIC' a part of it to our CLASSICS Title.
Neesie! I hope you are enduring it all!
Lovesickness is serious business!
WOW! GRZP! You made that 'Call For Closure!' just yesterday! I posted at BAM! today about the ups/downs I experienced with that sort of thing. I hope that would be reassuring for you!
Training in holding out for the best rlsp is crucial. I feel it takes great concentration and force and hope and TEARS!
You won't be disappointed! I promise!
Maybe I am talking to myself? I called my ex just over a week ago...so I am FRESH here with you regarding that sort of thing!
I think I mean to say to try the 'ol 'count to ten!' Train in bearing the high points of longing, curiousity and urges and 'not lifting a finger!' After several tries of this per day you can get the hang of it!
Its 'holding out' for a rlsp that honours you and/or expresses you and/or will feel somewhat fulfilling...if not fantastically fullfilling and even challenging.
I have remained extremely perplexed about my attraction to my ex. One thing that stands out is that I SWEAR the chemistry and compatibility were both there...both ways and I have had such a bender experience trying to comprehend how that would noz go forward.
ITS A HEADSHAKER!
Learning to live with unanswered questions, the unknown, worries and even hopes is a tall order. How do you live with that and NOT CALL A MAN!!???
It is possible. It can be done!
I'm rooting for ya!
Love Spiller
